Alcoholic Anonymous Bibliography
LD "P" Alcoholics Anonymous
History and Recovery Pages
This website is dedicate to the Work of
District Judge John C. Creuzot Dallas
His innovation type work in alcohol and drug courts (Divert Drug Program)
combined with his background in philosophy and religion is helping save
“…unbelievers (and BELIEVERS) will quickly start running you around in logical
circles which you will never get out of — so I don’t even try to defend it
(the AA Program or the AA Higher Power) rationally and logically.”
(and dont ever think about asking me to DEFEND or Relinquish my Absolute
power to censor posts and Ban People from AAHL Yahoo AA History Lovers)
Parenthisis Addition by LDP Editor AAbibliography.com
– Glenn F. Chesnut – Indiana State Archivist 12-Step Author, from his book One of The Higher
Power of the Twelve-Step Program: For Believers & Non-believers
As for AAHL, I for one would like to see less censorship on the site. I
constantly receive e-mails from AAHL members saying that their messages
are not posted. I have experienced the same and am interested on
knowing what rules regulate the site? " AA History Fan Long
Time Member of Yahoo AA History Lovers Shakey Mike Gwirtzon Points
Blog Comment Regarding Glenn Chest.
A A History yahoo group censors its own members
GLENN Che.... (State AA Archivist for Indiana) SHOULD RESIGN FROM BEING
MODERATOR OF THE AA HISTORY LOVERS YAHOO GROUP His actions and postures
are a disgrace to anyone who calls himself a historian!!! This action
verifies and promotes the idea that AA is a cult and promulgates the cult
like Activities of Alcoholics Anonymous including cult like activities of the AA
history Lovers Yahoo Group. (ie Glenn Chesnut-they (he) are fearful
about AA's Religious Origins so he (they) will ban all discussion in this
Yahoo AA History Group about that--- (with the caveat of BANNING ONLY SELECT
INDIVIDUALS- those he wants to be personally and publically Miffed at)
miffn. (Possibly expressive of disgust)
1. A petulant, bad-tempered mood; a huff.
2. A petty quarrel or argument; a tiff.
tr.v.miffed, miff·ing, miffs
To cause to become trivially offended or annoyed.
Even today April 15 he continues to push sales of his
own books on Amazon via the aa history group. no one else is
permitted or they are banned!health.groups.yahoo/message/7313
a friend writes: The
Yahoo AA History Lovers group isn't really a history group, it's a
mythology group where they demand that people repeat the old legends and
myths in the approved orthodox manner, or else or else!! You Are Banned!!
Glenn Chestnut: "When Nancy Olson’s health began failing in the Spring
of 2005, things got pretty disorganized and chaotic, but I eventually ended up
assuming the responsibility of moderator.
In keeping with the spirit in which the group has always been run, I have
looked at all times to our best AA historians and archivists for their good
advice, wisdom, and judgement. I feel pleased that we have not only grown from a
few hundred members (mostly from the U.S. and Canada) to 2,394 historians and
archivists today from all over the world, but that almost 100% of the people who
originally made the group so strong at its beginning — those who remain alive
and in good health — are still active and contributing to the group today.
They are still the true strength and foundation of the group. Without them,
we would not have anything useful. St. Isidore of Seville said in a famous
phrase, “any man who claims to have read all the works of St. Augustine is a
liar.” To an even greater degree it can surely be said, any one single person
who claims to know everything about AA history is a fool."
see quote (it is interesting to note *I sent Trish T comments about this
article and Glenn Chestnut and Censorship AND SHE ALSO CENSORED MY COMMENTS
Hi, Mr. Pierce. Thanks for submitting a comment on the recent *Points* blog
post about AA History. As you can see from the comments already posted, there
are a LOT of viewpoints on the topic. We have many readers who are not familiar
with AA history, and while we would welcome a contribution from you, I'd ask you
to please articulate your perspective in polite language and substantiate your
claims so that others who are not familiar with the controversies you allude to
can understand them.
I know the site that you include in your post, and
think it is a really good resource-- I have used it many times myself. I think
our readers would be able to appreciate it more if you could take a minute to
explain or contextualize it.
I hope you can take a little bit of time
to re-frame your comment so that I can post it on our site as a meaningful
contribution to an ongoing discussion.
Trysh Travis Co-Managing
Again He Chestnut states: but that almost 100% of the people who originally made the
group so strong at its beginning — those who remain alive and in good health —
are still active and contributing to the group today.
except Dick B AA Historian LDP Editor of this site and many others
WHO ARE BANNED BY CHESTNUT FROM PARTICIPATING
I Challenge Glenn Chesnut
to address these issues within The AA History Lovers Group
HOW DO YOU VOTE?? Have you had run ins with Glenn
Chesnut or are you banned from
aa history lovers yahoo group?
Print and distribute this discussion to your
Group intergroup Regional AA and AA Archives
moderator Glenn Chesnut, disagrees.(Especially
any info regarding the Writings of AA history Author Dickb WHO Has long
been banned from this group by both moderators) Glenn C can you
provide me with a list of who else is banned from participating in your
list? Why is Dick B the only Author Banned??? How many other AA
history website Editors are banned?
Glenn Chesnut Bans
LD P (sober since 06 15 1995) (editor of this website) Phone
347 762 0062 banned from
Yahoo AA History Group You have been banned from this group by "the group moderator" (Yahoo! ID banned: di***e).
You may not join the group AAHistoryLovers. I had participated in
this group for 12 years. Now I am banned because I like read and
enjoy writings of AA historian Dick B of Hawaii
Glenn and his Group are fearful of Dickb 's
religious and spiritual meaning in AA History. However they will fully
cover and discuss same message(s) from Mel B or Bill Pittmans Books.
(and of course freely discuss and PLUG Glenn C's OWN BOOKS and
website) This-his Censorship is cult- like- big -book -thumper- Fear-
plain and simple.
(this in direct contradiction to our AA motto: that principle is
not to practice contempt prior to investigation)
Here is the letter I received from Glenn Chesnut Before Being
Banned from the group for suggestions that AA history group member
could help in giving away dick b 350 cases of books
LD, I received a copy of this
notice too. (click to see Dick B's Message
about giving away books (which Glen Chesnut Deems so offensive;
) Does that mean that Dick is going into a nursing home or some
place else like that where there will be no
room to store all those books?
It looks like Dick's son Ken is
taking over most of the running o the operation now, and seems to
want to get rid of most of the stock of Dick's books which they have
stored on their shelves.
And/or, Dick's son Ken (who is a pastor
who is not a recovering alcoholic himself) wants to start putting
more emphasis on Christian recovery as a church-oriented endeavor
with less AA involvement.
I don't know. Do you know more?
If we posted this in the AAHistoryLovers, we would get a really
furious protest from some of our members, accompanied by serious
threats to quit the group themselves.
It seems best, doesn't
it, to assume that those who are Dick's fans will already be on his
internet mailing list, or will know people who are? It wouldn't
help anything at all to tear the AAHistoryLovers apart and destroy
it, just in order to post one announcement which those who are
interested will have probably already received anyway.
My response Group members give serious threats
to quit the group themselves
LET THEM QUIT THE GROUP!!
Banning someone because their scholarship
is different is counterproductive. Banning someone because they
submitted a message about an AA historian's book give away is
INSANE AND DOWNRIGHT WRONG. Where are your morals Glenn C?? are
you really practicing the Principles of AA
Glenn Chesnut to address these issues within The AA History
(1) I Demand an apology and retraction. (2) I Demand reinstatement
as a member. (3) I Demand reinstatement of Dick B as a
member (4) I Call for his (Glenn C) resignation for conduct
unbecoming of a moderator and unauthorized actions by his self/group
which are deeply damaging to a member. (5) I call for new non
biased non internet and non publishing connected
I Was a participating member for many years.
I did absolutely nothing that was in any way abusive,
incorrect, or promotional.
was banned by one man, Glenn Chesnut, in an arbitrary,
insulting, abrupt way—without any reasonable justification.
All should desire to see Glenn Chestnut Moderator Yahoo AA
History Lovers as Moderator Emeritus
Read Dick B's Response
Someone who purports to be the moderator of A forum posting site
and someone else who uses the name AWUH decided to write insolent
replies to my post. Their problem is that they didn't take the time to
learn the facts before they wrote. The Big Book calls this "contempt
prior to investigation." (Editor LDP: I am not sure to which site or
post Dick B is Referring to here in this first paragraph)
post, I can expect contempt now and then.
Contempt prior to investigation is another matter entirely.
I have no connection whatever with his website or him
although he has posted a number of items about me - as well as other
historians like Mel Barger, Ernest Kurtz, and many others. He has also
gathered and posted a large number of books and articles germane to A.A.
However, apparently he decided--when he learned that I
was distributing free cases of A.A. history books (350 cases)--to tell
aa history lovers about the opportunity. He didn't notify me in advance
or ask my permission or receive any request from me.
was told by the owner of that site - Glenn Chesnut - that I was headed
for a nursing home, was turning my 20 years of research over to one of
my sons, and was trying to "Christianize" A.A.
banned the contributor from his website and told him members would be
"furious" if he listed anything pertaining to Dick B.
I have no
connection whatever with A.A. history lovers. I don't surf it. I don't
use it. I don't like one or two of the members because of their
close-mindedness, but I know and like dozens of the others. And I have
never met Glenn Chesnut.
I have protested the affront to the
owner of aabibliography because I oppose censorship of A.A. history, and
Glenn Chesnut has claimed he has most of the leading historians
connected with his site. If he does, I am not surprised that several of
them--who are my friends--have written me regretting Glenn's intemperate
and arbitrary acts.
To close the matter, live and let live.
Onward to the history lovers. Onward to aabibliography. And let the dead
bury their dead.
I’m glad to see your revised announcement
about A.A. History Lovers. Chesnut deserves every
statement you made because your statements are truthful and his
attitude is vicious and harmful to AAs.
I am encouraging Dick B to compose more thoughts on the original reasons and emails for
which Dick B also was originally banned from AA history Lovers by moderator Nancy
Olsen and then moderator Glenn Chesnutt
email from dick b -04 02 2011
I surely appreciate your full statement of
the Glenn Chesnut libel. Also my response. That poor gentleman seems to
know little if anything about truthfulness, tolerance, and taming his
tongue. If he did, he’d be reading Dr. Bob’s remarks and the lessons in
the Book of James which were so popular in A.A. itself.
Yes, I will write the story of how Nancy O’s
censorship began. I never met the lady, never communicated with her
except for the one time she told me she was banning me because Ernest
Kurtz had told her my work lacked integrity and said I was “preaching”
in my books. She said she wanted a “safe” site. Safe? Safe from the
truth? Safe from all the facts? Safe for whatever purpose Ernest Kurtz
had in trying to promote “not-god-ness” as the theme of A.A. and
repeatedly calling me an “amateur,” a “hobbyist,” and a few other
niceties. Finally, after two or three aa history lovers criticized Kurtz
for his remarks, he actually apologized to me—something I don’t expect
Glenn Chesnut ever to do, and something which Nancy—may she rest in
peace—went to her grave with. What a heavy price these angry, jealous,
envious, vindictive people pay for the privilege of having a few people
read their books and listen to their views. Keep going, L.D. It is one
thing to lie and misrepresent facts to your friends and your forum. It
is quite another to libel, slander, and lie to anyone who comes along.
And believe me, L.D., you and I are not the only ones so attacked. There
are others who have been humiliated and disgraced by the acid tongues of
these folks. What they do is neither godly, nor truthful, nor just. It’s
a disgrace. And I’m glad to see you unearthing it. I sure have
publicized your site in every way possible in recent weeks. And I will
continue to do so as I have anyway for so many years.
What you are seeing is neither A.A. nor
history nor useful to a newcomer. It is simply uncontrolled venting by
By the way, L.D., I think it is appropriate
for you to address Glenn Chesnut directly and demand a retraction from
him of his lying statements and demand an apology from himfor his damaging attack on your reputation. He
can’t put a fence around the world, and hisdeceitful back-biting deserve to be reprimanded.
Either he espouses the 10th
Step or he doesn’t. If he doesn’t, you should tree him and gain an
admission that he doesn’t practice the principles.If he does, it’s more than time for him to
apologize, make amends, make restitution, and publically retract the
God bless, Dick k B 04 2 2011
email #2 from
dick b -04 02 2011
Is the material ABOVE really the view that reputable members
of A.A. history lovers espouse and promote? I know a few of
them rather well. And I doubt it. It is time for the professor
to retract his statements, make amends, and apologize publically.
There is much more to this unwarranted attack than what
aabibliography has thus far encountered.
It is not at all difficult to point to the two or three
persons who have urged him on. It is not at all difficult already to
name the names of those whose views have been barred. It's not Dick
B. because I don't even know this professor, don't subscribe to his
group, haven't submitted anything to it or him - other than to ask
if he, like his predecessor Nancy, was refusing to post anything I
wrote. To which, several years ago, he made the same statement to me
that aabibliography received from him. The Chesnut statement is
quoted in aabibliographyi website and set forth below
The libelous remarks about me, my books, and my son are very
precise: (1) Dick B. may be going into a nursing home (a lie and
something Chesnut says he doesn't know). (2) Dick B. has no place to
store his books (a lie). (3) The reasons for my giving away 350
cases of books have nothing to do with a nursing home or the ability
to store them anywhere. Hundreds and hundreds have been stored at my
expense through the years. (4) Ken B. is taking over my affairs (a
lie). (5) Ken B. wants to get rid of 13,000 books (a lie). (6) Ken
B. somehow is arranging for a church-oriented endeavor (a lie).
There is not one shred of documentation or proof of any of
the Chesnut charges. It is notable that Chesnut never made one
single inquiry of me to determine if his statements were true. I
have suggested that aa bibliography demand a retraction and an
apology because the statements obviously intentionally damage the
reputation and efforts of aa bibliography and of me.
And just for the information of the recipients of this
letter: Over 180,000 of my books have been sold or distributed since
1990. All of my books are now in print-on-demand and can readily be
(and are being purchased) through Amazon.com, Barnes & Noble, Baker
Book house, and many other retail outlets - as well as my own
website (which has had over 4.5 million visitors).
Chesnut may harbor the illusion that he can destroy the
reputation of those he bars by simply publicizing lies. I have no
idea why he would want to do this. Nor, it appears, do some of his
group who have contacted me. I do know that such intentional
interference with a legitimate enterprise is an actionable tort with
several causes of action. And I believe those who participate in the
interference would do well to disassociate themselves from the lies,
the interferencer, and the damage.
For my part, I'm a long way from any
nursing home. I have just completed a tour of about 25 meetings and
conferences, two radio programs, two addresses to the Association of
Christian Alcohol and Drug Counselors, a recent hour and a half talk
at the Betty Ford annual Awareness Program, and a delightful
shipping to recipients of the 350 cases of history books the
professor has never seen. My addresses were to several Alcoholics
Anonymous meetings, to several treatment programs, to counselors, to
a Maui group, and to the hundreds and hundreds who phone and email
me each month. And that will continue! The object is truthfully to
report A.A. history, define the role that God, His Son and the Bible
have played in the recovery movement, and help alcoholics, addicts,
those with life-controlling problems, and those affected by the
conduct - if they wish to seek God's help and apply to highly successful
principles and practices of the program founded by Bill W. and Dr.
Bob in 1935.
Author, 42 titles &
over 500 articles on A.A. History
I'm sorry to hear about your troubles, but I'm not at all surprised.
Another friend of mine also got banned from the AA History Lovers yahoo
group for mentioning bits of history that they didn't want to hear
about, like the 100 Men Corporation.
group isn't really a history group, it's a mythology group where they
demand that people repeat the old legends and myths in the approved
orthodox manner, or else.
have a good day anyway.
* firstname.lastname@example.org ** AA and Recovery Cult Debunking ** http://www.Orange-Papers.org/ *** "Things are now in motion that cannot be undone."** == Gandalf, Lord Of The Rings
Not long ago, Glenn Chesnut, who publishes Foundation
items, wrote an article on why the A.A. "Conference Approved"
shibboleth does not, cannot, and should not bar freedom of
expression in A.A. Chesnut is also the moderator of the so-called
aahistorylovers. And it was Chesnut who recently barred from his
forum aabibliography which published the following article - one
that generously mentions Chesnut's position.
Here is the
extract on censorship - taken from www.aabibliography.com
What “Conference Approved” Literature Means
this much needed article from Pete's Stuff. It incorporates the
long-ignored Box 459 article that GSO said it couldn't find. If you
want to see an excellent and much longer discussion of this, go to
the Foundation site where Professor Glenn Chesnut lays it
all out in terms of its importance. I receive questions about this
all the time; and people at conferences, Central Offices, and
meetings are confronted with the conference approved nonsense with
great frequency. Any AA can read anything any time anywhere for any
purpose. There is no Tradition that says otherwise. There is no
Tradition that can or should or will censor or censure what is
presented at a meeting. And if someone thinks they've found the
mythical tradition, tell them the Traditions are not laws, are not
binding on anyone, and were never intended to prohibit free speech
or freedom of religion by AAs or others. Those who suggest otherwise
just don't know A.A. Nor do they know that early Alcoholics
Anonymous was a Christian Fellowship, studied the King James Version
of the Bible, read all kinds of literature--Protestant, Roman
Catholic, New Thought, medical, and otherwise, and put out reams and
reams of pamphlets and guides as the years went by. Included were
pamphlets from many Central Offices and Intergroups--including the
long-running Cleveland Central Bulletin, the four Akron AA
pamphlets, The Four Absolutes, Then there were other writers
mentioned below and not mentioned below--Clarence Snyder, Sister
Ignatia, Marty Mann, Father Pfau, Richmond Walker, Ed Webster, and
on-and-on.Not to forget over 500 Oxford Group and Sam Shoemaker
books and pamphlets that were read and circulated byDr. Bob himself.
And let's not forget that the most ignored and suppressed writing of
all - Anne Smith's Journal - contained the heart of early A.A. and
was discussed almost every morning at the Smith home Quiet Times.
Take off the shackles, and use your mind! Better still, see what
someone else has had to say. Particularly, the Creator in what He
revealed in His Word. Our basic ideas came from there. My recent
title Making Known the Biblical History and Roots of Alcoholics
Anonymous specifically identifies hundreds and hundreds of writings
that have contributed to the origins, history, founding, principles,
and practices of A.A. in just the few years it has been in
existence: http://www.dickb.com/makingknown.shtml God Bless, Dick
B. http://www.dickb.com/index.shtml; http://www.dickb-blog.com;
4-5-9 1978 (Volume 23, No 4) Any literature that pertains to
the principles of AA or is approved by a Group Conscience - is
perfectly acceptable to be read by any AA member or in an AA
You hear it in meetings, “…we have AA Approved
Literature available for sale at cost…”
You hear it in group
conscience meetings “…we should only allow readings from AA Approved
You hear non-group members crosstalking in a
meeting when someone reads from Richmond Walkers’ 24 Hours a Day,
Emmet Fox’s Sermon On The Mount, or one of Ralph Pfau’s Golden Books
–“You can’t read that in an AA meeting – it’s NOT AA Approved
Factually, unlike Alanon, there is no such
thing as AA Approved Literature. The early AA’s read from the Bible,
the Upper Room, Oswald Chambers, Cecil Rose, Leslie Weatherhead, Sam
Shoemaker, Emmet Fox, Richmond Walker, Ralph Pfau and many others –
a simple visit to Dickb.com will bear this out. As Dick B. aptly
points out “Whatever some may think, A.A. has no index of forbidden
In the 1950’s AA World Services took over WORKS
publishing’s rights to publish the Big Book and began publishing
other books as well. In the course of the next 40 years AAWS began
to publish more books but eventually lost the copyright on the first
two editions of the Big Book. Until 1993 books which were owned and
printed by AAWS were identified by the use of a Circle/Triangle
Symbol bearing the three legacies.
On May 21, 1993 , an AA
World Service Ad Hoc committee released an unsigned document titled:
Follow-up Statement Regarding Use of the Circle/ Triangle Symbol. In
it, AAWS stated that Alcoholics Anonymous will phase out the
'official' use of the circle and triangle symbol in and on its
literature, letterheads and other material. That document was issued
without a conference action or a group conscience.
“Conference Approved” literature now replaces the Circle/Triangle
Logo to merely “identify” (AAGV Vol. 50-7 1993) the books solely
owned and published by AAWS and not as a predetermined list. The
most definitive illustration of this is that the public domain first
edition of the Big Book is NOT “Conference Approved”. “Conference
Approved” in no way constitutes a list of any written documents of
which an AA body approves or disapproves. (Please see the ad hoc
committee Final Report of the 1993 General Service Conference)
A formal statement concerning the Conference, the G.S.O, and
what AA members read was issued by the General Services Office of AA
“WHAT CONFERENCED-APPROVED MEANS”
Box 4-5-9 1978 (Volume 23, No 4)
AA’s General Service
“It does not mean the Conference disapproves of
any other publications. Many local A.A. central offices publish
their own meeting lists. A.A. as a whole does not oppose these, any
more than A.A. disapproves of the Bible or any other publications
from any source that A.A.’s find useful.
What any A.A.
member reads is no business of G.S.O., or of the Conference,
Below Old Oxford
Group Books recommend by Dick B AA historian now
available for download
Philosophy of Courage by
Philip Leon, (pdf) Philip
Leon, philosopher and Oxford Group member, published this work in 1939,
when the AA Big Book was first printed. Leon’s take on Oxford Group
ideas is helpful in understanding both what AA took from the OG, and
what we left behind. Because it is a philosophical and theological work,
The Philosophy of Courage.
Soul Surgery by Howard Walter (pdf) Originally published in 1919, this book is the
result of collaboration between Frank Buchman and Howard Walter,
Buchman’s associate and a missionary in India. The subject of Soul
Surgery is “personal work,” also called “personal evangelism.’” It
criticizes mass evangelism as superficial, and contends that real
religious change happens only when two people sit down together and are
totally honest with one another. It is possible to read Soul Surgery as an essay on
Twelfth-Step work. Walter’s suggestions for the personal evangelist all
apply to those of us who serve others as sponsors. The religious
language here is very strong, but the underlying spirituality is equally
strong and fully compatible with the Steps. The basic message of Soul
Surgery is this: we grow spiritually only by helping others along the
What is the Oxford Group?, by A Layman with a
Notebook (pdf) While Soul Surgery outlines the Group’s method of
personal work, What is the Oxford Group? examines the Group’s full range
of practices. In the book’s discussion of the Four Absolutes, we find
the precursor of inventory. Likewise, the chapters on surrender,
restitution, and Guidance are clearly what AA adopted as the Third Step,
amends, and the Eleventh Step, respectively. What is the Oxford Group?
serves as an excellent introduction to Oxford Group thought and
practice, and could almost serve as a pre-step Step guide for those
interested in working with the roots of Twelve Step spirituality.
Was a Pagan, by V.C. Kitchen (pdf) V.C. Kitchen was a regular in Sam Shoemaker’s
Oxford Group circle where he met and befriended Bill Wilson. I Was a
Pagan tells the story of Kitchen’s failed attempts to make his life
meaningful and his transformative encounter with the Oxford Group. Many
helpful comparisons can be made between Kitchen’s autobiography and
Wilson’s writings, primarily Alcoholics Anonymous. Readers familiar with the Big Book will recognize
many of its expressions in Kitchen’s story. Readers will also notice
that Kitchen does not see alcoholism as a disease. Kitchen treats his
own drinking as a moral problem, one which was solved by the moral
program of the Oxford Group.
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